Communism

[Claw the perv]

After reading a topic I saw that people used communism as an insult, or find saying communist so. Well all I have to ask is what do you think of communism?

[NeoShadow]

It's horrible. Seriously, NO ONE has the right to FORCE someone to think like they do...
And using that as an insult is just plain retarded

[Jaícei]

would u like sum communist party?
http://non-standard.net/images/communist_party.png


On the subject, communists likewise use 'capitalist' as an insult.
There is nothing essentially wrong with either socioeconomic theory- they are simply ideas and values. I wouldn't mind living in a small communist state if it was fairly uncorrupted. In a way, the value of work and devotion to your fellowman the philosophy emphasizes strike me on a romantic chord.

You can't force communism on capitalist states nor vise-versa because, to start, the people aren't wired for it. Despite claims that it is impossible, there have been communist states that have been successful but they must be small so they can manage and maintain it. It's a deeply selfless and humanistic philosophy: the willingness to sacrifice certain personal freedoms and luxuries in the hope all citizens can have a decent life and comfortable retirement is quite powerful but, of course, usually ruined because most people aren't so magnanimous and won't work for the good of the state and others unless they have a reason they have too. You know the story. In a large nation attempts to instate a true communism are just about assured failure.

Regardless, I adore people who use communist as an insult because it just serves to make them appear uneducated. Stalin did some horrible things, but that doesn't mean people who happen to be communist or value communist ideals and foolish, horrible, etc. and not all communists believe in the same type of communism- just as with capitalists.

[Deano]

The main difference between a capitalist state and a communist state is if I lived in a communist state, and didn't like it, I'd keep my fucking mouth shut and find the quickest, cheapest route OUT.

[Orange]

Hmm. The idea of an economic system in which factories and businesses are all considered public propery doesn't sound that bad. However, the fact that some group of people could just walk in and take your house is, in my opinion, against humanity's rights to remain and individual, therefore, to own what is individually theirs. On the other hand, of course, communism pretty much destroys homelessness. Both capitalist and communist governments have their own flaws, and that is why communists use capitalism as an insult, and the capitalists vice-versa. But in my overall opinion, I'd have to decide that capitalism is overall superior to communism, and I have reasons: Communism is more likely destroy its own self; not everyone can be the same.

[Black Knight]

Communism just relies on the people not being selfish, which in most cases you'll find that humans are.

[Ottomana]

Communism just relies on the people not being selfish, which in most cases you'll find that humans are.


Pretty much why communism didn't work well in most places.

Socialism, though part of the communism side, is quite in between Capitalism as well.

Well said, JC.

[E-123 Omega]

Communism is one of those things that looks great on paper but it just can't be done. i would love the ides of everyone making the same amount of and nobody is better than anyone but then greed sets in and people want more money than others. So that's a big NO on communism.

[Infinity]

Religious beliefs tend to play a huge role in socioeconomic systems as well. Communism encourages atheism, and understandably so: religion has always played a huge part in developing classes and creating inequality. “He who believes in another world is not capable of concentrating all his passion on the transformation of this one."

Let's imagine taking a capitalist, god-fearing nation and weening them off of their beliefs, their way of life, their understanding of society, all in the hopes of converting them into a communist society. This would require a government and a whole lot of bullshit. You would literally tear the rich ones out of their mansions with their fingernails raking into the hardwood the entire length of the journey. Churches would be "shut down". Newspapers and media would need to be censored. Suddenly you have taken everything away from your people and they are writhing beneath your feet like earthworms. You have absolute power.

Welcome to dictatorship, worms.

As Jaycee mentioned, I find theory of communism romantic. I would love for my neighbours to be as well-off as I was, I know for a fact it would solve a lot of world issues, and i can't see anything wrong with a society where everyone's got dirt under their nails. But if there isn't a true democracy behind it, the result will always fall short of true communism. And when it's not true communism, it tends to be a lot more oppressive and a lot less romantic.

[Claw the perv]

It's horrible. Seriously, NO ONE has the right to FORCE someone to think like they do...
And using that as an insult is just plain retarded
Urm? Do you even know what real communism is?

Well I personally like Communism, all people are EQUAL. I honestly find it sick how some have millions while others live off of scraps like dogs. "Well, it's their fault." Really? Is it there fault that our economy(sp) is so fucked up that we all can't afford to be rich, or even middle class(in america). And plus Communism gives a new meaning to 'all or nothing'.

[Deano]

Urm? Do you even know what real communism is?

Well I personally like Communism, all people are EQUAL. I honestly find it sick how some have millions while others live off of scraps like dogs. "Well, it's their fault." Really? Is it there fault that our economy(sp) is so fucked up that we all can't afford to be rich, or even middle class(in america). And plus Communism gives a new meaning to 'all or nothing'.

That's how it SHOULD be but it usually isn't since there's always a political party in control, and I'm doubtful they'd all be living in the same 2 bedroom council estates that everyone else is. What kinda movie star, or footballer, making £100 million a year, would wanna live in a shack just like everyone else.

Communism would only work on a mega rich nation like the USA or the UK in order to pay for a decent standard of living for EVERYONE in the nation, and I think we're both happy with our democracy.

[Jaícei]

^ A super rich nation, god forbid one like the US, would only make communism harder.

[Claw the perv]

That's how it SHOULD be but it usually isn't since there's always a political party in control, and I'm doubtful they'd all be living in the same 2 bedroom council estates that everyone else is. What kinda movie star, or footballer, making £100 million a year, would wanna live in a shack just like everyone else.

Communism would only work on a mega rich nation like the USA or the UK in order to pay for a decent standard of living for EVERYONE in the nation, and I think we're both happy with our democracy.
The U.S. is trillions of dollars in DEBT. We're the guy with a nice car, nice clothes, and lives in a freaking run down one bedroom apartment. Or if you dun understand metaphores(sp): Our apperance makes us look good but we're broke ass poor...

[TCkaos]

The U.S. is trillions of dollars in DEBT. We're the guy with a nice car, nice clothes, and lives in a freaking run down one bedroom apartment. Or if you dun understand metaphores(sp): Our apperance makes us look good but we're broke ass poor...

That's because of all that money we gave the Germans after we fucked up the Nazis. No one's paid us back after we wiped the floor with them. We pay to repair other countries and never get anything in return.

Maybe if we actually took the oil from the middle east (like the media says we're doing) then we would lift this debt just a bit faster. Or maybe we could drill in our own fucking country, or use our own natural resources.

There are other nations fishing off of our coast (See: Japan), and due to the environmentalists we can't even bring a fishing boat out there.

We shouldn't become communist, that would end in a spiral of miserable failure. No one would have an incentive to get jobs, as they would all be paid the same wage, meaning that the infrastructure of the country would plummet. We'd be just like Africa, just without so many guns, we'd have to use pikes instead since we'd probably lose the right to bear arms (which would incite a civil war, mind you). I mean, AIDS, no jobs, greedy government stealing from it's people...

http://img33.photobucket.com/albums/v99/smallestminority/Communism.gif

[Jaícei]

lol, and how many has capitalism killed? More than that.

No one here thinks the US should up and go communist, but please think before you blurt out statistics expecting them to support you.

[Ottomana]

Currently 9.5 Trillions of dollars in debt? America was in debt since the American Revolution/War of Independance! (although they hit 0 sometime, they soon went into debt during the American Civil War) so don't blame the Germans and WWII just because the US volunteered to provide tissue papers and dust brooms. Funny how you say that taking oil from the Arabian countries would get out of debt sooner... since the war on Iraq and Afganastan started, debt soared from 5.6 Trillion (2000, though War on the arabs was in 2001 and 2002) to 9.5 Trillion today!

for some ppl here from the UK, here's a comparison

$1 US dollar = .5119 British pounds
so 9,500,000,000,000 US dollars = 4,863,820,955,434.20 British Pounds (used an online currency converted).



"Communism only killed 100 million people"

lol, thats because of "revolutions" and poor leaders are the cause of it, not the theories itself. Stalin killed millions of his own people during WWII. Is it "Communism" to blame?

Fucking bias, I tell you that.

[Shackel11]

Actually, Communism would help out America in a way. Tell all of those enviromentalists and people who complain too much about our goverment to shut the hell up and we can build back up our country.

[Roxas_the_hedgehog]

How about we let Obama take care of this instead of those stupid republicans who actuaonly pretty much care for nothing but the war.